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Feb 24 2009, 6:32 PM EST by
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Abek is to me one of the most interesting parts of Gerda's story. His ceaseless devotion to her, despite ever seeing those feeling reciprocated, makes for one of the saddest parts of the novel. This is quite the claim when one considers what the actual subject matter of the story is. How do you feel about the way that Gerda treats Abek? Is she leading him on, and if so is it wrong? Or do you simply think she is overwhelmed by situation and circumstance? Is Abek foolish to place himself in an internment camp just to be closer to her?
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Feb 24 2009, 6:32 PM EST
I think that it is sweet that Abek is in love with him but I understand why Gerda doesnt love him back. I am glad that she doesnt give into him and tell him that she loves him because she doesnt. On the other hand I am glad that she doesnt flat out reject him either. I think that they help each other live through this hard time in both of their lives. I think that the love and hope that Abeck has for Gerda keeps him strong becasue he has someone to hope for and to live for. Abek helps Gerda because it shows her that someone out there does care for her and whenever she needs anything he is there for her. I do not think it was totally nesaccery for Abek to move to the toughest camp just to be close to her, I wouldnt, but if that is what makes him happy go for it.
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Life or Death??
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Feb 24 2009, 6:28 PM EST by
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Once Gerda is separated from her mother and father, she decided that she is going to fight with everything she is worth to survive. She states, "I am going to live....if it happens to them (her parents die) --I am going to live for revenge" (Weissmann-Klein, 96).
If you were Gerda, would you take the same mentality that she did, why or why not? What would you tell yourself if you were in her situation? What would get you through??
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Feb 24 2009, 6:28 PM EST
Honestly I cannot even imagine losing my whole family and being totally alone in such hardship. I am having a hard enough time imagining leaving for college and looking at Gerda's life I feel silly. She was so so brave at such a scary time and at such a young age. I do however, believe that I would want to live just so that my family's deaths were not in vain. I would want to live because I know that would be what they wanted for me and I would do anything and everything that I could to fight and live through this ordeal for them and to prove that I was strong enough to.
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Feb 24 2009, 6:24 PM EST by
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throughout Gerda's time in the ghetto, in camps and especially on the march there is some fire within her that keeps her going. she seems to find this inner strength when everything is wearing her down. where does it come from? i for one do not know if faced with having lost my family and most of my friends if i could keep on working and marching to my death. how did she seem to know that she would survive? her inner hope inspired so many of her friends.
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Feb 24 2009, 6:24 PM EST
I think that her strength came from revenge. She decided she was going to live no matter what so that her parents and brother did not die in vain. She made a promise to her father as well that she would not take her own life and that helped her through the tough times when she felt like there was no point anymore. She decided that now everything she did fell back on her, not on her family, that helped her to be brave and find strength because she did not have to worry about keeping them safe. She only had to worry about living and now she had nothing to lose, but her own life.
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Question about Maus 1
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Feb 23 2009, 1:12 PM EST by
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Did you think Spiegelman ended the comic book by saying "murderer" on purpose? Does that tell us something about him? Does that give us a clue as to why his mother committed suicide in the first place?
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Feb 23 2009, 1:12 PM EST
I think Spiegleman ended the comic by saying murderer to make people think about the entire novel. The entire way through the novel Vladek is trying to save Anja nad then, after she dies, he tries to destroy all of her stuff, in essence murdering her memory. This tells us that he believed that she could live on through her diaries and that in this way Vladek killed Anja. I think this bit gives us no clues as to why his mother commited suicide because the murderer has to do with what happened after her death.
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Feb 23 2009, 1:09 PM EST by
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during my reading of this book i found myself having to go back and read certain sections over again. because of the comic style that this book is written i feel that it is a more entertaining than a traditional book. do u think this method is effective in grasping your attention more than a traditional style book?
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Feb 23 2009, 1:09 PM EST
In certain sections the story was hard to follow. I thinks that's because the way Vladek spoke with his out of place words. And you had to really read the boxes to follow because he had some pages where boxes would run down the page. And then others would run across and others had a mix. But it was a faster read thatn an actual book.
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Maus Question
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Feb 23 2009, 1:05 PM EST by
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Why do you think Anja kills herself?
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Feb 23 2009, 1:05 PM EST
Like shown in "Life on the Hell Planet", the most likely reason for her suicide could have been a combination of factors like her depression returning (from after she had her first son), her loss of her first son, living through the Holocaust while many loved ones did not, going to Aushwitz, menopausal depression, and that her second son had mental problems. Quite frankly, there is no way to pin her decision to suicide on any one thing.
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Graphic Novels: A good teaching tool?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:54 PM EST by
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Some people can easily imagine how life could have been for people described in there text books, but for others it might be easier to read a graphic novel instead. A graphic novel caould be used as another teaching tool, but it would feel less like a boring textbook, so it might make the different points stick better. Quite frankly, I think the use of non-fiction graphic novels, like Maus, could help in more classes than just our English class. Anyone else agree?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:54 PM EST by
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Why do you think Vladek and Mala are staying together when they are both unhappy with there marriage? Do you think Mala is only staying it in for the money like Vladek says or do you think that isnt true?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:54 PM EST
Mala seems like a fairly nice lady in the book, especially when Artie goes to talk to her alone. But later when her and Vladek get in an argument, he says she said all she wanted was the money. She didn't seem like the kind of person who would just be married to him for his money, I thought it was just him being him at first. It was later when she actually ended up stealing his money that I beleived it, and even then I couldn't picture her doing it.
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Feb 23 2009, 12:52 PM EST by
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Artie calls his parents murderers why does he do this
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Feb 23 2009, 12:52 PM EST
He calls both of his parents murderers because his mother killed herself and left a huge problem for Artie and his life. The reason he called his father a murderer is his mom left her old books for Artie to look at. His father proceeded to burn all of these books and Artie is extremely angry because all of the memories he has are now gone since they have been burned.
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Fighting back, or giving in?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:42 AM EST by
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In the begining of the book everything was so gradual, first they had to register, then move to the basement, arthur leaving, moving to the shacks. It was tiny tiny steps until they finally broke up the families, we knew where it was headed, but did they? Did they know it would happen eventually, but just thought they couldn't do anything about it? Or did they just place too much faith in humantity to believe that anybody could ever be that inhumane? Did Gerda and her family stay in their house becuase they didn't believe it would ever go as far as it did? Or becuase they simply saw no way out?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:42 AM EST
I think that a lot of people thought that the entire thing would just be a temporary thing, and had not even imagined that it would have turned into such a horrific event. As already said, everything in the beggining was somewhat bad, but was no where near what was going to happen later on. They just kept thinking it was only going to be for a little while with Arthur leaving, people being shot for being jewish, Hitler's affect's on the world, and all of the pain they were suffering in the beggining, They thought that what was happening in the beginning was probably the worst it was going to get. I think the family and Gerda remained in their own house because they were scared and didn't want to face what was out there. They kept hoping it would end. I think they were scared of them having to turn their faith to Hitler just like the people around them. When their close neighbors put up a Nazi flag, they knew then that it was not going to be easy to remain true to themselves. I don't think they thought that there was no way out, but didn't think the view on Jews would turn into such a horrific event.
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Physical or Mental?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM EST by
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During the book, Gerda went thorugh unspeakable physical pain and hard labor. But she also went through many times of mental weaknesses where she felt like giving up and dying. Do you think the mental toll or the physical toll would be the worst? Do you feel that they are connected at all?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM EST
I think the mental pain is much worst than the physical pain. Physical pain is very hard to over come, but it will heal in time. What happened to Gerda mentally will never leave her mind and soul. Since she was a littler girl she has had so many horrible things happen to her that will svar her for the rest of her life. How could it not? She witnessed so much cruelty, so much loss, and so much sadness at such a young age. These hard times will haunt her forever. She lost a lot of her close familym members and friends at such a young age. How could she have possibly have understood why all of this was happening? She stared death right in the face being in the middle of everyone's opinions and everyone's losses. Her family was having enough issues before all of this happened, she had to say good-bye to her own brother in such short notice and never got a chance to be close with her family...not like they used to be. It was a sad time. At some points, she considered suicide to be the only way out of this mess. The physical toll and mental toll both could contribute to horrible experience but mentally is by far the wrost.
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Was she right to lie?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:02 AM EST by
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When, near the end of the story, Gerda begins to spread rumors that Germany is falling apart, she seems to make (almost) everyone happy, but was this really the right thing for her to do? If the war hadn't ended, the false hope she gave people could have been enough to push them over the edge. Would you have done the same thing?
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Feb 23 2009, 12:02 AM EST
If I were in her position, I most likely would have done exactly what she did. It reminds me of our economic situation today. Our economy is horrible right now. Many people are frightened and are starting to lose hope, just like Gerda and the people around her. Obama keeps saying our economy is going to change, that the war will be over soon, and he is doing what Gerda is doing. He is trying to give his people something to believe in. Just like Gerda is trying to make everyone have some hope, even though she was wrong to lie, she only did it to help out people who were hopeless.
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When Girda is placed in a camp for the first time she is given the opportunity to be free for the time being. In return for this she felt like she would be committed to Abek for marriage, which is an idea she didn't like and even chose to remain in the camps to avoid. If you were in Gerda's situation would you make the same decision or take the opportunity for freedom and deal with Abek later?
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Feb 22 2009, 11:54 PM EST
Knowing myself, i would have definitely have taken the opportunity for freedome choice. I would find it better to get out of the situation and then try to tell Abek about my feelings later than to try and go on how I was going. Especially if i knew that it would only get a lot worse.
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Does Gerda acutally love Abek?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:57 PM EST by
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Throughout the story Gerda mentions how she never feels the same love for Abek that he feels for her. But I think maybe it is because of the war and all of her losses and hardships that she just does not want to love. Do you think that Gerda actually does love Abek deep inside her?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:57 PM EST
I definitely do not think that Gerda loves Abek deep inside her. I think the war and her losses would almost have reverse affect. I think, actually, that Gerda would be more likely to love and committ to someone else, fearing that no one else is out there for her. Gerda would feel all alone, and would almost mentally feel the need to committ and be loved by another. And because she still rejects Abek, even with everything he has went through for her, I think that clearly shows that the love is not mutual. As much as I wanted there to be love while reading the book, I just don't think it was meant to be. This is, of course, very unfortunate and sad.
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Feb 22 2009, 10:39 PM EST by
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Turkey was nuetral during World War II, so they did not favor either the allies or the axis side of the war. Gerda seemed close to her Uncle Leo living in Instanbul, at least close enough to write him numerous letters. The rest of Eastern Europe, including Yugoslavia and Greece, did not come under Axis control until November 1940ish, giving Gerda at least a year to escape. Why then, before the Nazis invaded or even after the Nazis invaded, did Gerda and her family not attempt to make it to Turkey where they were sure to be safe from the Nazis?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:39 PM EST
Gerda and her family probably didn't think the war would last very long. They thought it would last a couple of months maximum. It felt like World War I had just ended so they didn't find it logical for there to be a second war that would be worse. Also, they were worried about Papa's health. Since he was sick, they didn't want to be going anywhere. Gerda and Arthur were the ones who decided to stay as a family instead of going off with Arthur's girlfriend's family. They could have had a chance to escape but they didn't know what was coming their way therefore chose to stay so that Papa's health didn't worsen. Had they known, they definitely would have taken the easy escape.
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Feb 22 2009, 10:38 PM EST by
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When Gerda's plan of running away was hatched, she then changed her mind at the thought of being responsible for the death of Ilse. Would you have attempted to run away, given the chance. Would you take the risks of death to be free.
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Feb 22 2009, 10:38 PM EST
If i was in Gerdas position I beleive I would have run away. Even though Gerdas plan was lacking in many aspects. I believe I would have risked it all becuase I would have been on the brink of giving up anyways. overall not running away was obviously a good choice becasue everything worked out in the end for Gerda. Even though this is selfish I feel like if i was in the situation I would have done anything to save my own life. I may have tried not to risk any others life by running by myself and not bringing any others along.
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The Importance of Isle
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Throughout the story Gerda tells she develops a relationship with another girl, Isle. These two girls travel from camp to camp and provide each other comfort. Together they ration their bread and make sure each other is safe. Without Isle do you think Gerda would have survived her experiences in the concentration camps?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:34 PM EST
Because Gerda is so strong, I still think she would've been able to make it through. Gerda is also very good at making friends. But, I think it would have been very difficult for Gerda of Ilse weren't with her. They relied on each other for many things such as dealing with emotions, staying strong and having each other's back (like what Ilse did for Gerda in Marzdorf). Ilse also made Gerda's birthday memorable. If Ilse had died earlier, I think Gerda might not have made it through. Her hope would only rely on seeing her parents again which she knows deep down won't happen. I think her hope would eventually fail her and she would not have lasted much longer.
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Language of Maus (posted on wrong forum originally)
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In Maus, Artie's father spoke a very strange version of english. Some words semed to be out of place or in the wrong order. It was still understandable, but took some re-reading a couple of times. I don't think the book was originally in another language, but if so was it a translation problem or is his strange speech supposed to signify something?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:32 PM EST
I think that because Vladek is from the "old Country," he probably can't speak english very well. Also, I think it was done deliberately to emphasize this. Artie does say that he started to record these interviews so maybe he was putting down EXACTLY what was said.
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Kurt and Gerda are "together" for a few months before he proposes. Gerda is obviously more mature after everything she's been through, but she did miss out on her experimenting years and was forced to mature too fast? I guess Gerda did not fill in all the gaps well, but did they know each other well enough, or was moving to the United States the final test for their love?
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Why do you think that the different types of people in the novel were represented by different animals? For example the Germans were cats, Poles were pigs, Jews were Mice and Americans were dogs. What do you think was the significance of this?
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Feb 22 2009, 10:29 PM EST
I think that there was definite reason for choosing the cat/mouse relationship. The Poles might have been pigs because although they were peripherally involved in that they sold out the Jews, they weren't really part of the chase. The Americans might have been dogs because they did join the chase eventually.
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